as part of family worship last night, i pulled out the bound volumes i have been harvesting from different sources lately and showed my spouse the following quote:.
awake!1969 may 22 p.15 .
"if you are a young person, you also need to face the fact that you will never grow old in this present system of things.
Tell HER that Deut 18:20-22 and 1 John 4:1 do not come with a footnotes that exclude nice people who are "trying their best"... Also, Acts 1:7 applies to anyone who speculates regardless of how evil or "genuine" they may be...
It's funny how the WT excludes themselves from Bible scriptures when it's convenient to do so...
i am curious since there are soooo many here.
i know ones may have written disassociation letters and they may have just thrown them out and not done anything.
i wonder how many have written about specific teachings we have and what you have seen in the bible that conflicts with that, and asked why?
Since last year (as per the October 15, 2011 Watchtower magazine Questions From Readers article), The Watchtower Corporation will NO LONGER respond to any letters on things that have in print...
If they already put ink on paper, it must be correct because it came from Jehovah... end of story...
If it's a subject they never talked about, you might get a response in about 4 months or so...
attention lurkers... monday, october 1, 2012 is the 98th anniversary of jesus' rulership!i'll just let the watchtower magazine speak for itself...october 1, 1914, on taking his place at the breakfast table in the brooklyn bethel dining-room, he in a strong voice denoting conviction announced: the gentile times have ended!
-watchtower july 15 1950 page 216 pargraph 1 those seven appointed times of the nations ended in the early autumn of 1914, about october 1. before then the good news of the established kingdom could not be preached.
-watchtower october 15 1955 page 623 paragraph 7october 1, 1914, is now more than forty-two years ago and the kingdoms fight at armageddon is fast nearing.
98 years down... the end is right around the corner...
attention lurkers... monday, october 1, 2012 is the 98th anniversary of jesus' rulership!i'll just let the watchtower magazine speak for itself...october 1, 1914, on taking his place at the breakfast table in the brooklyn bethel dining-room, he in a strong voice denoting conviction announced: the gentile times have ended!
-watchtower july 15 1950 page 216 pargraph 1 those seven appointed times of the nations ended in the early autumn of 1914, about october 1. before then the good news of the established kingdom could not be preached.
-watchtower october 15 1955 page 623 paragraph 7october 1, 1914, is now more than forty-two years ago and the kingdoms fight at armageddon is fast nearing.
Lost Generation...
Assuming one generation is 80 years...
Two overlapping generations can easily stretch to 159 years...
1914 + 159 = 2073
By the year 2073, the WT will have completely buried the whole 607-1914 thing and every other ridiculous doctrine they stole from the Adventists... that is if they still exist (since I see them dissapearing completely by 2035)...
i was talking the other day with a fellow board member about medical emergencies occuring at meetings and how we both agreed that we ( while jw's ) had never seen a meeting stop or be cancelled due to medical emergencies experienced by a fellow jw.
the wt society trains jw' s to lose their authentic human feelings or any empathy towards others physical or emotional sufferings many times.
so many times at meetings , in spite of someone suffering a serious medical emergency it was " the show must go on " type of attitude displayed by congregation elders.. my first experience at seeing a medical emergency at the kingdom hall was an older sister who had an epileptic attack.
Very sick cult...
i actually saved a classified ad from an east coast paper that needed experienced crew on a 48' sailing yacht.
i was at this town for my 10th wedding anniversary and staying at a nice b&b.
this was back in april.
Tula... excellent post...
Oompa... RIP
attention lurkers... monday, october 1, 2012 is the 98th anniversary of jesus' rulership!i'll just let the watchtower magazine speak for itself...october 1, 1914, on taking his place at the breakfast table in the brooklyn bethel dining-room, he in a strong voice denoting conviction announced: the gentile times have ended!
-watchtower july 15 1950 page 216 pargraph 1 those seven appointed times of the nations ended in the early autumn of 1914, about october 1. before then the good news of the established kingdom could not be preached.
-watchtower october 15 1955 page 623 paragraph 7october 1, 1914, is now more than forty-two years ago and the kingdoms fight at armageddon is fast nearing.
Attention Lurkers... Monday, October 1, 2012 is the 98th anniversary of Jesus' Rulership!
I'll just let the Watchtower magazine speak for itself... October 1, 1914, on taking his place at the breakfast table in the Brooklyn Bethel dining-room, he in a strong voice denoting conviction announced: “The Gentile Times have ended!” -Watchtower July 15 1950 page 216 pargraph 1 Those seven “appointed times of the nations” ended in the early autumn of 1914, about October 1. Before then the “good news” of the established kingdom could not be preached. -Watchtower October 15 1955 page 623 paragraph 7 October 1, 1914, is now more than forty-two years ago and the Kingdom’s fight at Armageddon is fast nearing. -Watchtower December 15 1956 page 756 paragraph 13 Since those seven times began with the desolating of Jerusalem and the land of Judah in the early autumn of 607 B.C., they ended in the early autumn, or about October 1, of the year 1914 of our twentieth century. -Watchtower October 15 1958 page 634 paragraph 34 But the most important date for all human creation is 1914 (about October 1), for that marked the greatest turning point in all human history. -Watchtower May 15, 1960 He would do it after the year 1914 of our Common Era, a year of universal importance. It was in that year that the time for the royal Stone Jesus Christ to wait at God’s right hand ended. Why? Because in the seventh Jewish lunar month of that year, or about October 1, 1914, the “times of the Gentiles” ended.—Luke 21:24, AV. -Watchtower November 1 1964 page 651 paragraph 11 As has been demonstrated, the beginning of the “appointed times of the nations” dates from the overthrow and trampling of Jerusalem and the desolation of Judah, which was accomplished about the middle of the seventh Jewish lunar month, Tishri, or about October 1 of the year 607 B.C.E. -Watchtower October 15 1967 page 616 But by October 1, 1914, it was obvious that Jesus’ prophecy was fulfilled and that the “appointed times of the nations” had ended. -Watchtower May 1 1967 page 261 We need not here repeat the proof that the Gentile Times, “the appointed times of the nations,” ended around October 1, 1914. History proves it! -Watchtower December 15, 1968 page 749 paragraph 37 NEW LIGHT in 1970... End of Gentile Times moved up 3 or 4 days... Both the Bible’s time schedule and the physical facts of history prove that the Gentile Times, “the appointed times of the nations,” ended in 1914 C.E. about October 4/5 that year. (Luke 21:24) -Watchtower January 15 1970 page 50 paragraph 5 At the end of the Gentile Times around October 4/5 in 1914, Jesus Christ was in what Hebrews 12:22 calls the “city of the living God, heavenly Jerusalem,” on the heavenly Mount Zion. There was the place for the glorified Jesus Christ to be installed as king, and that by the only one who could do so, the Most High God Jehovah. -Watchtower October 15 1970 page 626 paragraph 5 The Gentile Times had begun about the middle of the lunar month Tishri in 607 B.C.E., and so their 2,520 years of duration would end in 1914 about Tishri 15, which corresponds with October 4/5. -Watchtower December 1, 1971 page 717 paragraph 1 By the end of the Gentile Times about October 4, 1914, eight nations and empires of Christendom, along with Japan, were fighting one another. -Watchtower December 15 1972 page 748 paragraph 5 BUT WAIT... in 1974, the WT moved it back to October 1... The “chaste virgin” class endeavored to let their light shine as they approached the time when they expected to meet their Bridegroom in heaven. Finally, that day arrived—October 1, 1914. -Watchtower August 15, 1974 page 507 BUT WAIT... in 1975, the WT moved it up to October 4/5... This fact of universal interest has been true since the year 1914 C.E. In that year “the times of the Gentiles,” or, “the appointed times of the nations,” ended about October 4/5, when counted from the desolation of Jerusalem and the land of Judah by the Babylonians in the year 607 B.C.E. -Watchtower November 1 1975 page 661 paragraph 15 BUT WAIT... in 1979, the WT moved it back to October 1... SINCE the “dead in Christ” are raised up in spiritual bodies invisible to human eyes on that “last day,” we humans must walk by faith, not by sight, as to its actually taking place now. We recall that for some decades quite a few thought that the glorification of all surviving members of the Christian congregation would occur at the end of the Gentile Times around October 1, 1914. -Watchtower June 15, 1979 page 26 paragraph 1 On October 2, 1914, Charles Taze Russell, then president of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society, boldly announced: “The Gentile Times have ended; their kings have had their day.” How true his words proved to be! Unseen to human eyes, in October 1914 an event of world-shaking importance took place in heaven. Jesus Christ, the permanent Heir to “the throne of David,” commenced his rule as King over all mankind.—Luke 1:32, 33; Revelation 11:15. -Watchtower May 1 1992 page 6 Thereafter, the Society refrained from specifying October 1 or October 4/5 albeit both dates were preceded by the word "about" most of the time... But the point is that there's NO QUESTION as to the importance of 1914 in the Watchtower Corporation's marketing scheme... However, since humanity has instant access to old books on their cell phones, tablets and laptops, this over-used Watchtower Marketing tool is slowly being dismissed by Brooklyn as not-so-relevant "old light". In fact, the year 1914 is very rarely mentioned anymore compared to 15 or 20 years ago...
very few people actually know this but the watchtower dvd faith in action is actually a tribute to freemasonry.
this dvd presents illustrations of several famous freemasons such as john coustos (a portuguese grand master from lisbon circa 1740).
the dvd actually presents two illustrations of coustos being tortured by the clergy while the anonymous narrator denounces historic abuse from the clergy.
And if this weren’t enough, at the end of the DVD, the Watchtower actually extends its thanks to the freemason community in the closing credits… for example:
• Lizzie Palmer Fund: Charitable organization founded by Elizabeth "Lizzie" Palmer, the wife of Thomas W Palmer (1830-1913) a very influential freemason in Detroit.
• Bibliotheque nationale de France: The director of this public French library is Bruno Racine, a highly decorated freemason.
• The English Bible and its History: written by James Baikie, a freemason who held the title of “Outer Guard”. He also wrote "Peeps at Many Lands: Ancient Egypt".
• The History of Protestantism: written by James A Wylie, a freemason who wrote several Works condemning the Catholic church for its persecution of protestants. He was a member of Masonic Lodge #9 in Lebanon, NY.
• Ken Welsh: born in Brooklyn, he received the "Dewitt Clinton Masonic Award" for his service in the community.
i have been sending one "apostate" email after another to an elder in my congo (who frequently does circuit and district convention parts) and i'm still not df'd.... i've even sent him a free pdf copy of "crisis of conscience" twice in the last 3 months (sorry cynthia franz), as well as emails about the whole spectrum of bullshit (607, 144k, 1935, blood, proof of lies, false predictions, etc...).
he vary rarely responds but i know he's reading them because he said so in a recent google chat.... he even acknowledged that the wt got 607 wrong but then says that i should look at the positives and stop finding fault.... but still... i sent some really strong gb-bashing emails and i'n not df'd.... i mean seriously, i've pushed the envelope as far as i possibly can.. what the hell is going on???
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Thanks everyone for your insight...
Undercover... i just think he's dug himself into a hole... my first emails were merely innocent questions but, as the months went by, these were slowly phased out with more hard-hitting emails... he's been responding (only sporadically I'll admit) but he's at the point of no return... if he hasn't blown the whistle yet, his only recourse is to keep these emails to himself... otherwise, no more assembly parts for him and he'll lose his "rock star" status...
Dark Fader... that's a tough question...
when jesus supposedly came down to the earth in 1918 to accomplish his inspection of all religious denominations, he supposedly chose the watchtower bible & tract society.. according to the august 15, 2012 watchtower (page 6, paragraph 12), in 1914, there were only 1,200 congregations worldwide..... this means that jesus was really looking for a needle in a hay stack... (probably had to use a pair of tweezers in the process...).
but notice this gem i found in the watchtower cd library:.
in 1918 there were only 3,868 persons announcing the king and the kingdom in all the world.
AnnOMaly... Weren't all JWs of the "annointed" up until 1935 (when the 1st members of the Great Crowd started to get gathered)???
